Showing posts with label Oscars. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Oscars. Show all posts

Sunday, February 17, 2019

Liam Neeson's Comment Examined

Liam Neeson made a huge mistake recently. He decided to be honest about how he felt and contrasted it with the way he feels now.  Why was this wrong, you ask?

Honestly, the only way you could be asking is if you spent zero time on the Interwebbings, which means you're most likely not reading our post either. Still, here's a brief recap of the incident and ensuing controversy:

In an interview with The Independent, Neeson revealed how he reacted to news of a female friend of his being raped.

“I asked, did she know who it was? No. What colour were they? She said it was a black person.I went up and down areas with a cosh, [
a thick heavy stick or bar used as a weapon; a bludgeon} hoping I’d be approached by somebody – I’m ashamed to say that – and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some [Neeson gestures air quotes with his fingers] ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could,” another pause, “kill him.”

The point of this admission, according to the actor, was to point out how horribly he felt about his actions and what he learned as a result. He refers to the experience as "awful" and says he finally reached a point where he asked himself what the fuck he was doing:

"“I come from a society – I grew up in Northern Ireland in the Troubles – and, you know, I knew a couple of guys that died on hunger strike, and I had acquaintances who were very caught up in the Troubles, and I understand that need for revenge, but it just leads to more revenge, to more killing and more killing, and Northern Ireland’s proof of that. All this stuff that’s happening in the world, the violence, is proof of that, you know. But that primal need, I understand.”

Neeson appears to be coming from a place of regret and insistence that he learned from that experience and is disgusted that he ever committed those actions in the first place. He views his comments as a way to express the aspects of human existence most people refuse to face, as is often the path taken by artists. So, of course, the online crucifixion began immediately.  Naturally the by now worn out expression "toxic masculinity" was used, thereby ignoring eons of human development and behavior.  Even if it is an example of toxic masculinity (which is a thing, don't get us wrong) it's also an example of a man realizing that and confessing his sins. Or is it? Read the discussion below to find out what we thought:


C: First of all, how can Key and Peele be wrong?
T: Key and Peele are never wrong.
C: Except that one time.
T: We don't talk about that.
C: Talk about what?
T:Exactly.
C: ...
T: ...
C: *Clears throat*
T: Hey, did you hear about that Liam Neeson thing?
C: Why, yes. As a matter of fact, I thought we could discuss it on this here blog right here.
T: I'm sort of conflicted on how I feel about his admission.
C: How so?
T: Part of me respects the fact that he was honest about it and admitted he was wrong. That shows growth. But at the same time I'm bothered by the fact that if he had run into a random black man, this would be a different story.
C: It might not be a story at all. Somebody might have died without it ever being known.
T: That may very well be true.
C: My issue is with the criticism and the hypocrisy.
T: This should be interesting. Explain.
C: People like to pretend they don't have a dark side. It's why they look down on people who like horror.
T: They do. And honestly, that's what I respect about what [Neeson] said. He owned his darkness and took responsibility for it.
C: He also used it as a learning/teaching moment. This happened forty years ago! The world was a very different place. That's not an excuse for bigotry, it's an attempt to set proper context for actions he clearly regrets and, even more, is ashamed of. Y'know, so many Christians claim they love stories about redemption but the ones they seem to love are bullshit spin jobs used to manipulate them. A real story of redemption comes along and they scream "BOYCOTT that penitent man!"
T: I understand it happened forty years ago and honestly I don't believe he's racist; I do believe he had a bigoted moment and the fact that he owned up to it of his own free will speaks volumes about the man he is.
C: Exactly. Who knows if he ever had an overt racist thought in his head before that? Probably not. This one experience forced him to face an ugly part of himself that might have remained buried. I feel the need to tell a story.
T: Go for it.
C: Someone whose identity I won't reveal but who i relatively close to me saw something when he was returning home from the South on a bus. This would've been either the 1950s or early Sixties. A group of young white guys grabbed a young black guy and beat him severely right there in the bus station. This person remembers seeing the victim get kicked under another bus right before his pulled off.
T: That's fucked up.
C: He said all he could think was how when he got home he was going to grab the first white guy he saw and beat the shit out of him. Unlike Liam Neeson, he did just that. This wasn't even because of someone he knew personally.
T: That's just sad. But back then attacks on blacks were commonplace.
C: Absolutely. But this was the first thing that sprang to mind when I heard Neeson's comments. This person regrets his actions, too. But it's an all-too human response despite the attempts to label normal behavior as toxic masculinity.
T: That's probably why his story hits a nerve to some degree. There was a time when whites would destroy an entire black neighborhood for an accusation of what happened to his friend. Even though he admitted being wrong, it still reminds us of those stories from the past.
C: Entire towns were wiped out in some cases.
T: Yeah.
C: Excellent point. In a broader sense, though, you can't go around saying white people are racist by virtue of the system you're living under and then chastise one when they admit to a racist impulse and express disgust about their own actions. It's hypocritical.
T: I don't think all whites are racist but there is a large majority that is biased towards what they're conditioned to believe [about non-whites]. But then again aren't we all?
C: Not me. I'm awesome.
T: Is that what they conditioned you to believe?
C: It's what I conditioned them to believe.
T: Nice.
C: I know you don't think that, however, the accepted viewpoint on living in a racist society is that the majority power race is racist even when they don't want or mean to be me.
T: That is very true.
C: What are your thoughts on the online attacks?
T: Senseless and serves no real purpose. I really wish someone would ask him to sit down with them and discuss his story, hopefully someone of color. I don't think the interview would be taken seriously otherwise. And he needs to shut up now. The more he tries to explain, the worse it gets.
C; Anything else?
T: The one thing we can take from this incident is that we, as a nation, need to have a real conversation about race and racism.
C: I feel like if Neeson stood up and testified with this same story in front of a black congregation instead of in a press junket, he would have been applauded.
T: You might be right about that. The conversation needs to honestly deal with racism against people of color in particular. You can't make a better future until you're willing to confront the past.
C: Let me piggyback off that by saying a portion of that includes not condemning someone for trying to have the conversation when the facts upset us.
T: Absolutely.


Let the hate comments commence~





Tuesday, January 22, 2019

A Discussion on the apparent Oscar-worthiness of "Black Panther"

Most of us remember a time when genre films, i.e. science fiction, horror, fantasy, were regularly dismissed by the Academy Awards as disposable, silly kiddie fare. Those days appear to be at an end, however, as generations of people who grew up on genre movies and books have started influencing the box office in a very different direction. Plus, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has done a pretty good job of establishing the comics medium as not only a popular format for adapting to the big screen, it has also proven that quality writing and film making and acting can "elevate" the medium. That word is in quotes because the presumption that comic books needed to be elevated at all is a debatable one.

After nineteen successful movies in its ongoing franchise, the MCU has finally achieved an Oscar nomination with "Black Panther," the massive hit about a secret African nation called Wakanda that was only pretending to be an agro-economy but is actually the most advanced nation on Earth. The Black Panther is the nation's king and he...you know what? If you're clueless enough not to know about this shit a year after it came out, do your own damn research.

Below is the conversation that took place between T&C. We agreed to make this our first discussion post because we disagree about this movie's Oscar worthiness.

T: Did you hear about "Black Panther" being nominated for Oscars?
C: Ridiculous.
T: WHAT!?
C: Ri-cock-ulous?
T: "Black Panther" was awesome. I do believe "Logan" warranted a few nominations but I think "Black Panther" earned the ones listed. I would have a problem if it got nominated for best special effects.
C: Because the effects often looked fake and unfinished or because that's the award they throw at every genre film?
T: The first part.
C: The third act was where that movie's effects really started to shine. Up until then the effects work was very uneven.
T: But the actual nominations are well-deserved.
C: The acting was sub-par,.The writing was uneven. The direction was amateurish. It was an enjoyable movie at best but certainly nowhere near Oscar caliber.
T: Wow.
C: Why are you acting like this is a surprise? We saw it together. I'm sure you could tell how unimpressed I was.
T: True.
C: I didn't want to say anything when we saw it but much of the time I was bored out of my mind even more than I was during "Civil War." This type of film is not Ryan Coogler's thing. Maybe Ridley Scott was right.
*Ridley Scott recently criticized movie studios for giving huge movies to directors with no experience and, in his view, it shows.
T: As far as the acting, I did find Forrest Whitaker annoying and was glad when Kilmonger killed him but I was fine with everybody else. He had the worst accent.
C: Yeah, when the hell did he become such a bad actor? He was one of the greats! I'm thinking of his scenery chewing in "Rogue One."
T: He was annoying in that, too! I was glad glad to see him him die in that as well.
C: Me too.
T: I don't think he's a bad actor, I just believe his acting has a limited range of versatility and both movies were WAAAYYYY beyond his range.
C: If he were here, he'd give you Forrest Whitaker eye.
T: He wouldn't be able to help himself.
C: Getting back to "Black Panther," I felt the movie fell into the same category as "Captain America Civil War" and "Spider-Man: Homecoming." Over-hyped movies that fell short and were a mess on most levels until their respective third acts. Marvel really knows how to make a third act pay off.
T: What!? No.
C:
T: LOL!!!
C: Discussion over?
T: Okay, "Civil War" definitely matches that description. "Spider-Man: Homecoming" gets a borderline "yes" and "Justice League" gets a "hell yes!" Oh, and the theatrical cut of "Batman vs. Superman."
C: Don't bring DC into this, you Marvel Zombie! Although you have a point with Spidey. It would have needed a plot to qualify for that description.
T; I agree. I believe what they were trying to do was get straight to the point and spend as little time on the origin story as possible. It's been told enough times.
C: His and Batman's...and that one guy they names Xmas after.
T: Heathen.
C: Look, "Black Panther: is definitely a film that belongs in the Smithsonian for its cultural significance and all the records it set and having the character as part of the MCU opens up a lot of possibilities. But if I have to judge the award merits based on the film as conceived and produced, I don't feel it deserves a Best picture nomination. "Logan," on the other hand, did and was robbed. Actually, the acting in the X-Men franchise is often vastly superior to the MCU. "Days of Future Past" might be the best acted comic book team movie of all time. Here come the hate comments.
T: Actually, I can't hate you for that one.
C: I didn't mean you.
T: I know.
C: Again, I didn't hate the movie. I enjoyed it overall. Maybe if it had come out ten years earlier, I would've been right there praising it as some cinematic revelation but there's been a lot of competition. I still consider "Winter Solder" the gold standard for MCU films.
T: That's a great choice.
C: You're starting to agree with me, aren't you?
T: Nope!
C: Don't you want to yell, "Wakanda Forever"?
T: I'll wait until it takes home the Best Picture Oscar.
C: That would be amazing. An actual high quality superhero movie could win next time.
T: Dick.







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